Highest ORAC supplement 25,000+

[SGM123]

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[esoteric17]

SGM123 Wrote:I noticed the "Dutched Chocolate" here in this ORAC Scale list comes in at around 40,000 ORAC.
The raw stuff is twice that in ORAC.
That Dutched Chocolate IS a wide spectrum assortment of antioxidants. It is easily obtainable
in any supermarket and tastes great when mixed with a sweetner (No cal) and milk/cream (Low fat--no fat) for body.
That Dutched chocolate is non other than "Hershey's Cocoa--Natural unsweened" I can buy an 8 oz container of this ORAC marvel at Walmarts for around 2 bucks. It runs ORAC circles around Applepolly and is way cheaper. It is a PROVEN broad spectrum source of Antioxidants.

Milk proteins interfere with the antioxidants in chocolate (and tea). Eat dark chocolate in the absence of milk proteins.

[SGM123]

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[esoteric17]

SGM123 Wrote:Esoteric17:

Milk cassiens interfere not only with the antioxidants from tea and chocolate, but apparently also with blueberries and other fruit and veggie antioxidants.
Milk cassein binds with the catechins and certain polyphenols making them unavailable. Use a non dairy creamer (without cassienate), vegetable based creamer, or drink chocolate plain. Beaware that many dark chocolate bars contain milk. Watch out too for cheese in salads. The cheese casseins bind with salad antioxidants.

Another area to watch is that darker the chocolate roast, the less antioxidants. Dutched chocolate seems to be a good bet. Always put lemon in your tea as it permits the catechins to get past your stomach.

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So soy protein doesn't present a problem? I thought the "dutching" process destroyed some of the antioxidants...?

[SGM123]

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[CeCeHereNThere]

Wow!! So much excellent information available here, and even a bit of heated discourse tossed in. Very interesting to know the lighter roasts of coffee offer the highest antioxidant values, and such excellent news that chocolate in and of it self is not our enemy.

I'm wondering about the current acai craze. Is it worth the outrageous cost? Does it have any components (being one of those rare fruits that have a large amount of lipids) that make it a standout in any particular way? Or is it just the latest "new thing" to come down the pike? I'm so looking forward to reading responses. Thank you one and all.

CeCe

[esoteric17]

CeCeHereNThere Wrote:Wow!! So much excellent information available here, and even a bit of heated discourse tossed in. Very interesting to know the lighter roasts of coffee offer the highest antioxidant values, and such excellent news that chocolate in and of it self is not our enemy.

I'm wondering about the current acai craze. Is it worth the outrageous cost? Does it have any components (being one of those rare fruits that have a large amount of lipids) that make it a standout in any particular way? Or is it just the latest "new thing" to come down the pike? I'm so looking forward to reading responses. Thank you one and all.

CeCe

Acai is good, but overrated and not worth the cost. Your body can only absorb so many antioxidants at a given time. You're better off getting a variety of antioxidants from various sources throughout the day. The ORAC score, while quite valuable, measures only the peroxyl radical. There are other types (hydroxyl, singlet oxygen, etc). Different antioxidants are better suited against different radicals. Check out this great post by SGM on cheap great antioxidants:

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Personally, I do oats with cinnamon and blueberries. Whole wheat toast with blackberry jam. Dried prunes and cranberries. Apples. Walnuts. Red wine. Very dark chocolate.

[MachineGhost]

What a bunch of useless copy and paste propaganda. Any issue can be articulated or published to support a pro-industry position.

My body and those of many others react negatively to the effects of ingesting xanthines, especially on the HPA axis and the cortisol steal. This is my legacy from chronically ingesting caffeine when I was younger. Maybe it isn't the caffeine or theophylline per se, but it is certainly the theobromine when it comes to chocolate. I don't know if "natural" chocolate really has lower amounts of the xanthines or not, but whatever is present is still enough to cause jitters and rapid adenoside hypersensitivity. For that matter, I am not confident that a decaf chocolate (as with decaf tea or coffee) will actually be 100% xanthine-free, so it wouldn't serve my own interests anyway.

Furthermore, none of the beneficial, health promoting effects of chocolate, coffee, green tea, rooibos, etc. come from the xanthines. Which is why there are dietary supplements available containing only the beneficial bioagents less xanthines (the only exception I can think of is black tea extract). It costs more to make such supplements and there would be no economic incentive to do so if there was no real consumer demand for it. Old wive's tales isn't going to cut it for causing a large number of people to pay more money for something that is allegedly inconsequential.

[thoughtfulliving]

jchase wrote :
> The ORAC value seems impressive but I have a few questions/comments.
>
> Applepoly: A serving of Applepoly has 25K orac units at ~$1.30 per serving.
> Cocoa smoothie: A raw organic cocoa serving (2 tbls or 30 grams) has 24300
> orac units at ~$1.30.
>
> So per serving, Applepoly and a cocoa smoothie are nearly identical.

I'm glad you put the ORAC values into perspective with price. That is why I created my website-to show that high ORAC values may elicit hype but without comparing activity with price, you'll have consumers chasing down hyped products and shelling out more money.

Now as far as this apple poly, it stands to reason that the skin of fruits contain much of the antioxidant activity of the whole fruit. I doubt apple skin would be the most potent, however, apples are grown in such large quantity that the price may be compelling. Consider the apples that go into making straight apple juice and the many varieties of fruit drinks that have as apple juice the first ingredient. Surely there would be a massive amount of apple skin (and other parts of the apple) left behind. This could be macerated and freeze-dried and sold to the public in this form. Unless it's found out there is something untoward about apple seeds (such as a naturally occurring cyanide containing chemical), I see no reason why this could not be made as a supplement at a LOW cost.

[Dr JaiDee]

(01-24-2009 01:51 PM)davidlkern Wrote:  My name is David L. Kern. I've been studying antioxidants, medical nutrition and antiaging medicine for almost 30 years now.

In 2004, we came across a natural antioxidant derived from apple skins that has the highest ORAC of any supplement or food I've ever seen. It tests as high as 25,440 units per gram. It's the most bioactive antioxidant avaliable, as far as I know.

Since we couldn't find it through any vitamin vendor, we began bottling it and taking it ourselves every day. We named it Apple Poly, and offered it to clients at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.applepoly.com">http://www.applepoly.com</a><!-- m -->. Thousands of people around the world are now taking this extremely potent antioxidant daily.

ORAC numbers are often published in misleading ways. The USDA publishes ORAC numbers by standard food serving of 100 grams. Goji berries, for instance, come in around 25,000 per 100 grams (Brunswick Labs). So the per gram ORAC value of goji berries is 250. By this measure, Apple Poly is 100 times more potent than whole Goji berries, a notorious superfood.

You might see goji berries advertised to have an ORAC score of 25,000. That's a lot, compared to most any food. But the per gram ORAC score is only 250. So when someone shows you an ORAC score, make sure you're comparing grams to grams. Most companies throw an ORAC number per serving, or per bottle, and sometimes, per nothing. Accuracy matters. Here's why:

Apple Poly
ORAC per gram: 25,000+
ORAC per serving: 25,000+
ORAC per bottle: 750,000+
ORAC per USDA (standard serving): 2,500,000+

I don't tell people that Apple Poly has an ORAC of over two and a half million, although this is a correct number when comparing the USDA "per serving" ORAC numbers. I think that's misleading. You have to pay attention to units "per." It makes a lot of difference, as you can see. Using this method of per measure comparison will quickly deflate most "highest ORAC you can buy" claims. You'll see that most products don't even come close to lab grade pure fruit polyphenol extracts.

I'm looking at an ad at the top of this page that claims "Muscadine grape beverage yeilds (sic) the highest ORAC you can buy." Their product is tested at 3,764 ORAC per serving (2 fluid oz.) Since Apple Poly is not a liquid, the most useful comparison would probably be "per serving." A serving of Apple Poly (2 capsules, one gram) is over 25,000 ORAC units. Their product is under 4,000. It may be a fine product, but please don't insult me by telling me it's the highest ORAC I can buy!

In fact, look at ANY product that claims high ORAC- mangosteen, acai, whatever- you won't find anything that compares to Apple Poly. They're really not in the same discussion. Apple Poly is clearly the ORAC leader, and may well be the "highest ORAC you can buy" this side of clove oil. And when you get into the upper echelon of ORAC, you have to look at safety, bioavailability, bioactivity, efficacy, and more. AP happens to be exceptional in all of these areas as well. But that's several more discussions.

So, let's talk ORAC. Who knows of ANYTHING with an ORAC score higher than Apple Poly?

At what lab was Apple Poly Orac measured?