is xocai a scam?

[spartak]

Hello Everyone,
. I haven't seen any product of Xocai without label of expiry date.

Then you must look closer to the xocai cookies because none of the 3 boxes I have seen mentions any expiry date on either the individual cookies or the boxes. Also none of the xocai omega squares mentions on the individual squares any expiration date. The same goes for the nuggets and the xocai x power squares.

[clbjsa0416]

I have done a great deal of research on the topic of healthy dark chocolate, in general, and Xocai, in particular, as part of my decision making process to join up with Xocai. In addition to selling their products, I first became a user following my mother and my wife after personally witnessing the health benefits they realized.

As for expiration dates, if you look on the bottom of the boxes, you will see a "Best Used By" date. If you have a particular product that does not have a Best Used By date, you should contact Xocai through their website for an explanation. You will find it is a company that is very committed to the science behind healthy chocolate as well as the legal procedures. They will be happy to respond. Just as an FYI to further support Xocai's reputation - their distributors are routinely advised that any promotional material and/or statements about their products must be company-approved in order to protect against false or mis-leading claims. Xocai products also carry the Brunswick Lab seal of approval. Here are a couple of sites/articles where you can find quite a bit of information about dark chocolate (and, yes, it does matter if it is dutched as higher temperatures used in the dutching process have a destructive effect on the antioxidant elements) and Xocai products in particular: 1. http://www.baileyshealthstore.com/store-categories-Healthy-Chocolate_3614686.html then click on any product for detailed information. 2. http://www.mxi.myvoffice.com/clarkbailey or http://www.mxicorp.com for more information about Xocai. 3. http://www.baileyshealthstore.com/nutritional_benefits_of_chocolate/ for more information about what makes healthy dark chocolate healthy.

I sincerely hope this information is helpful to all of the people who have questions about dark chocolate and/or Xocai.

[spartak]

Well I am not a distributor but just a buyer of xocai products.

FYI there is no best buy dates on their products I have mentioned above. This is an issue that the company has to deal with. Also the same goes for other products that are not mentioned on my post, like the xocai active.

As you can easily see in many ebay sellers state that best buy dates are unknown unless you have the case that came with the products. This means that best buy dates are not printed in the product itself, which is of course strange to say the least.

And this is not for one of their products but for many, if not all.

This makes me wonder why they are doing this.

If you have an expensive product then best buy dates should be printed on the items and not just the cases.

[Billy Smith]

Sorry to come in on a xocai discussion, but can anyone give me the true orac value of tomatos, I find contradictory values?

[clbjsa0416]

Some additional information about Xocai expiration dates. This is from the corporate office. All products have an 18-month "best used by" date from the date of manufacture. You can determine this date by the julian dating system. According to the corporate office research department:

"MXI uses a Julian system for tracking the production dates.

Last digit for the current year - 2008 = 8
Julian Date 1-365
Shift
Plant number


Example: 817722

8= Last Digit of 2008
17 = Julian Date
7 = Shift
2 = Plant number"

For those who may not know, the julian date is the day of the year. In the example shown, 17 means the 17th day of the year (January 17). So, in this example, the production date was January 17, 2008 and has a shelf life of 18 months (approx June 17, 2009 expiration).

Hope this helps.

[clbjsa0416]

You are correct that the individual pieces do not list expiration or "best used by" dates. Xocai does not sell these products individually - they are intended to be sold by the box/case as indicated on their website and the websites of their approved distributors. I have a box of nuggets sitting in my kitchen right now that has the best used by date as did the omega squares and power squares I have purchased in the past.

If you are purchasing these products in quantities other than whole boxes/cases, the seller is not following Xocai corporate requirements for distribution. Any product that is unpackaged and then re-sold in a manner other than intended by the manufacturer is most likely going to be missing vital information.

I noticed some posts about pricing for these products and it does seem on the surface that it is expensive. Keep in mind, this is not equivalent to store-bought candy in that it is not really intended as a tasty snack to cure a sweet tooth; it is a product that is packaged in a way to optimize the nutritional benefits based on recommended ORAC intake quantities. The manufacturing process is pure and very tightly controlled and every product must pass quality control checks. This is not necessarily true for all products and many other products tout the antioxidant benefits (rightfully so) but do not package them in a way that ensures you actually realize those benefits.

[clbjsa0416]

Sorry to come in on a xocai discussion, but can anyone give me the true orac value of tomatos, I find contradictory values?

Billy, according to OracValue.com's list, tomatos range from about 367 to 694 ORAC value depending on type of tomatoe and how consummed (raw, cooked, juice, etc.).

You can also find ORAC values on USDA's website and other places but be attentive to the measurements used. ORAC is pretty much the standard (measured in micromoles TE per gram) but not always the case.

[spartak]

You are correct that the individual pieces do not list expiration or "best used by" dates. Xocai does not sell these products individually - they are intended to be sold by the box/case as indicated on their website and the websites of their approved distributors. I have a box of nuggets sitting in my kitchen right now that has the best used by date as did the omega squares and power squares I have purchased in the past.

I have 2 boxes of xocai power house cookies in my house which do not list any best buy on the box nor on the individual cookies. I have boght these from ebay. Whose fault is it that these do not have any best buy date; Is it the distributor's who sold them (or whoever sold them)) or is it the company's who did not state any best buy date on the box;

If you are purchasing these products in quantities other than whole boxes/cases, the seller is not following Xocai corporate requirements for distribution. Any product that is unpackaged and then re-sold in a manner other than intended by the manufacturer is most likely going to be missing vital information.

If this product is intended solely for distributors and their own personal use then I would accept that probably. But I suppose these products are also intended for the general public who are not interested in becoming distributors. So I would expect that at least the boxes of the cookies or th bottles of the xocai activ should list their expiry dates. If they do not list them, then If I want to buy them I would have to trust the seller, who could tell me what I want to hear (that these are not expired blabla)

Do you get my point?

[clbjsa0416]

I get your point but you obviously did not get any of mine. Since a lot has been written, I'll summarize a couple of the major points that have been made.

1. No one said that Xocai chocolates were not intended for the general public. They are sold through independent distributors. You may buy them retail or you may choose to become a distributor and buy them wholesale - strictly your choice. What I said was, the products are intended to be sold as packaged by the company and if they are not being sold that way by distributors, then that is on the distributor.

2. The best buy date information I provided came from the company. If you are seeing something that does not follow, you should contact the company for clarification. I also provided contact information with this same suggestion in an earlier post.

Whether Xocai chocolates or business are for you is strictly a matter of personal choice. It does not matter to me one way or another. I personally am a distributor (although not actively doing anything) and user of their products. Several people in my family have realized significant health benefits from using the products. I became a distributor so I can get the products at wholesale (packaged as intended by the company).

I find it takes a lot less time and effort to go directly to the company with questions (they are more than happy to answer your questions - as I mentioned in one of my first posts) rather than just posting negative comments based on an eBay experience. You'd probably find that you can obtain their products cheaper by being a distributor and buying them wholesale plus, you can set up autoship of your personal favorites. Distributorship fee is very inexpensive. Any way you choose to do it, I have found Xocai to be a solid, straight-forward, no-pressure company and have enjoyed their products for the past 14 months and will continue to use them.

[spartak]

I have searched and could not find the flavonoid content of xocai nuggets. It is strange since all other products have this info.

Any idea what the value is? I am not seacrhing for the orac score. I need the flavonoid content in mg